Comments on: Obama to Control the Light http://joscafe.com/2009/06/29/obama-to-control-the-light Live, Laugh, Love Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:57:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bernie http://joscafe.com/2009/06/29/obama-to-control-the-light/comment-page-1#comment-247361 bernie Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:53:29 +0000 http://joscafe.com/?p=3918#comment-247361 My wife loves light and so we have more than 150 lightbulbs in the house. The compact florescents save us hundreds of dollars each month, but if someone wants to use regular bulbs that should be his business, not the government's. My wife loves light and so we have more than 150 lightbulbs in the house. The compact florescents save us hundreds of dollars each month, but if someone wants to use regular bulbs that should be his business, not the government’s.

]]> By: Jo http://joscafe.com/2009/06/29/obama-to-control-the-light/comment-page-1#comment-247359 Jo Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:35:37 +0000 http://joscafe.com/?p=3918#comment-247359 Thank you for that wonderful information! And what people are not talking about is the EPA having to get involved in the disposal of these new light bulbs should they break. The Obama administration refuses to do a cost-estimate on this project. Its all about ramming through whatever legislation they can to take control of the population. They forget, we revolted once ... Thank you for that wonderful information! And what people are not talking about is the EPA having to get involved in the disposal of these new light bulbs should they break.

The Obama administration refuses to do a cost-estimate on this project. Its all about ramming through whatever legislation they can to take control of the population.

They forget, we revolted once …

]]> By: ceolas http://joscafe.com/2009/06/29/obama-to-control-the-light/comment-page-1#comment-247358 ceolas Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:47:01 +0000 http://joscafe.com/?p=3918#comment-247358 Jolene "When is he going to reach down and tell me when I can turn on my coffee maker or how much TP I can use?" :-) yes we have that in Europe already... see http://ceolas.net/#li22x ------------------ Otherwise, regarding the light bulbs.... Yes, ban consumers from buying what they want and applaud the savings! Edison's simple safe light bulb is bought 19 times out of 20 in the USA. The popularity is the reason to ban it: After all, that's why the savings are supposed to be so great, no reason to ban what people don't want. Think about it! ------------------- The fact is that efficiency regulation on a product sacrifices performance, construction, appearance and price features, and does not necessarily give the savings suggested anyway. See http://ceolas.net/#cc2x onwards regarding such effects of efficiency regulation on buildings, lightbulbs, cars, dishwashers and other products, ---------------------- About saving energy = Does society need to save energy? No, no shortage of electric energy sources... -------------------- About what Obama also said, "saving lots of emissions banning bulbs" = Does Jolene's light bulb actually give out any gases, like seems to happen at the White House? ;-) Since power stations might not give out any gases either, bans are unfair on emission-free energy households being able to use what they want, now or in the future, and emissions can be dealt with directly - as is planned anyway - by using new cleaner coal or renewable (or nuclear) energy. ------------------- Also - Energy Secretary Steven Chu's lab was involved in developing the compact fluorescent light bulb, any clash of interest there? ------------------------------- Why a ban is wrong: For a long list, with references, why a ban on ordinary light bulbs is wrong, see: http://ceolas.net/#li1x onwards Jolene
“When is he going to reach down and tell me when I can turn on my coffee maker or how much TP I can use?” :-)
yes we have that in Europe already…
see http://ceolas.net/#li22x
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Otherwise, regarding the light bulbs….

Yes, ban consumers from buying what they want and applaud the savings!

Edison’s simple safe light bulb is bought 19 times out of 20 in the USA.
The popularity is the reason to ban it: After all, that’s why the savings are supposed to be so great, no reason to ban what people don’t want.
Think about it!
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The fact is that efficiency regulation on a product sacrifices performance, construction, appearance and price features, and does not necessarily give the savings suggested anyway.
See http://ceolas.net/#cc2x
onwards regarding such effects of efficiency regulation on buildings, lightbulbs, cars, dishwashers and other products,
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About saving energy =
Does society need to save energy? No, no shortage of electric energy sources…
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About what Obama also said, “saving lots of emissions banning bulbs” =
Does Jolene’s light bulb actually give out any gases, like seems to happen at the White House? ;-)
Since power stations might not give out any gases either, bans are unfair on emission-free energy households being able to use what they want, now or in the future, and emissions can be dealt with directly – as is planned anyway – by using new cleaner coal or renewable (or nuclear) energy.
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Also – Energy Secretary Steven Chu’s lab was involved in developing the compact fluorescent light bulb, any clash of interest there?

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Why a ban is wrong:
For a long list, with references, why a ban on ordinary light bulbs is wrong, see:
http://ceolas.net/#li1x onwards

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